IS GOOGLE KILLING GENERAL KNOWLEDGE?

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General knowledge, from capital cities to key dates, has long been a marker of an educated mind. But what happens when facts can be Googled? Brian Cathcart confers with educationalists, quiz-show winners and Bamber Gascoigne ...

From INTELLIGENT LIFE Magazine, Summer 2009

One day last year a daughter of Earl Spencer (who is therefore a niece of Princess Diana) called a taxi to take her and a friend from her family home at Althorp in Northamptonshire to see Chelsea play Arsenal at football. She told the driver “Stamford Bridge”, the name of Chelsea’s stadium, but he delivered them instead to the village of Stamford Bridge in Yorkshire, nearly 150 miles in the opposite direction. They missed the game.

Such stories are becoming commonplace. A coachload of English schoolchildren bound for the historic royal palace at Hampton Court wasted an entire day battling through congested central London as their sat-nav led them stubbornly to a narrow back street of the same name in Islington. A Syrian lorry driver aiming for Gibraltar, at the southern tip of Spain, turned up 1,600 miles away in the English east-coast town of Skegness, which has a Gibraltar Point nearby.

Two complementary things are happening in these stories. One is that these people are displaying a woeful ignorance of geography. In the case of Stamford Bridge, one driver and two passengers spent well over two hours in a car without noticing that instead of passing Northampton and swiftly entering the built-up sprawl of London, their view continued to be largely of fields and forests, and they were seeing signs for Nottingham, Doncaster and the North. They should have known.

The other is more subtle. Everybody involved in these stories has consciously handed over responsibility for knowing geography to a machine. With the sat-nav on board, they believed that they did not need to know about north or south, Spain or England, leafy Surrey or gridlocked Islington. That was the machine’s job. Like an insurance company with its call centre or a local council with its bin collections, they confidently outsourced the job of knowing this stuff, or of finding it out, to that little computer on the dashboard.

Here is another story. A former winner of the BBC quiz show “Mastermind” recently took part in a pub quiz which came down to a tiebreaker between his team and a group of young people who were relying on BlackBerrys. Anyone familiar with quizzes these days knows that this can happen, whether it is under the table or outside in the smokers’ zone; the combination of wireless internet access and Google searching is simply too powerful for some to resist and for others to prevent. In this case, happily, virtue triumphed and the team led by the Mastermind champion won. Then afterwards a young woman from the losing side came over and asked in baffled tones: “How did you get that?” So attuned was she to the idea that answering quiz questions was a task to be outsourced to the internet that she seemed not to understand the idea of general knowledge that was kept in the head.

Is this where we are heading? A Google search, once you have keyed the words in, takes a broadband user less than a second, and the process will only get quicker. As for those laborious keystrokes, voice-recognition technology will enable us to bypass them. And soon pretty well everybody, from schoolchildren to drinkers in pubs, will be online pretty well all of the time. In that context, perhaps there is no longer any point in keeping facts in our heads. If you want to know who wrote “Skellig”, or whether Norway is a member of the European Union, or what Cary Grant’s real name was, you ask your laptop or your phone.

I teach undergraduates, and I am prepared to bet that many other teachers have found themselves wondering whether they are seeing this force at work. The average student, though better-informed than the earl’s daughter appears to be, seems not to value general knowledge. If asked a factual question, they will usually click on a search engine without a second thought. Actually knowing the fact, committing it to memory, does not seem to be a consideration.

As a reader of Intelligent Life you may well find this depressing. It seems of a piece with Private Eye’s “Dumb Britain” column, which records heroically stupid quiz-show answers. It gave us the contestant who, when asked which jungle-swinging, loincloth-clad character was played on film by Johnny Weissmuller, replied “Jesus”. If anything, the rise of the web seems worse, pointing not just to occasional outrageous ignorance but to the death of general knowledge itself. And we may be powerless to stop it, for no amount of pious complaint will make a difference, any more than the governments of the 1960s could stop the tide of pop radio, or the parents of today can stop their children playing video games. So, before we despair, is it really happening?

Here is a question: should schoolchildren be taught the capital of Colombia? You may well be saying yes, but David Fann, who chairs the primary schools committee of the National Association of Head Teachers, is quite sure the answer is no. “They just don’t need to learn off the capital cities of the world,” he says. “The capital of France, yes, but not the capital of Colombia. They will be much better off learning to use atlases as a skill.” This is an educational version of the old homily about development aid: give a man a fish and he can eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he can eat for a lifetime. Teach children to use an atlas, or some other resource, and they won’t just be able to find the capital of Colombia; they can find the capitals of Vanuatu and Greenland too, and anywhere else besides. “Facts per se aren’t off the agenda, but we need to teach skills,” says Fann. “It’s a matter of balance. For a long time we had a purely knowledge-based curriculum; now we need to develop skills.”

Put like that it seems sensible enough, but it does suggest that schools are encouraging the idea that knowing stuff is less important than being able to look it up. We are a long way here from Dickens’s Thomas Gradgrind: “Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else.”

Anne Ashurst, who won “Mastermind” in 1997 and is now 70, had the kind of schooling that might have pleased Gradgrind. “We were taught—really taught—from an early age, and there wasn’t any playing [at school]. We worked. I used to have to write essays for homework and bring them in. And at my grammar school we had a general-knowledge exam every summer.” She doesn’t see today’s schooling in the same light. “Now I think children are taught what is needed to pass exams. It is very narrowly focused and teachers have to get through it all. It’s a great shame. The children no longer write three sides of paper in an exam; they tick boxes.” Nor is there much rote learning, and there is much less writing down—a process Ashurst sees as helpful in committing information to memory. She isn’t especially nostalgic, and she notes with regret that she was allowed to go through school without learning physics, but she believes something is being lost.

Bamber Gascoigne, the doyen of quizmasters, is inclined to agree: “In many ways modern education is much better, teaching people to think, but there is a disadvantage, which is that time is limited and if you spend time analysing you don’t have time to learn a basic structure or framework of facts.” He cites the example of a 15-year-old boy he met who lamented the narrowness of the history curriculum—all Tudors and Hitler—and who provided vivid proof by suggesting that the famous event that occurred in 1066 was the Great Fire of London. (“I suppose he had three out of four digits...”)

IS GOOGLE KILLING GENERAL KNOWLEDGESo facts are in retreat in our education system. I could find no one to dispute the proposition that young people generally learn fewer of them at school than their parents would have, and those they do learn, they may well learn in ways that mean they do not remain so long in the memory. Facts have certainly not been removed from the curriculum altogether, but they compete with a lot of other stuff and many of that earlier generation’s facts have had to give way. David Fann is representative of many who argue that it is only sensible to rely on easy internet access to make up the difference. “The primary-school curriculum we are now rewriting will be taught to children who will be leaving school in 2024. The world will be very different then. Technology is already making a real impact on the way children learn and communicate. They will soon all have hand-held computers in the classroom, with e-mail and Google, and we need to make use of that.”

A certain lack of general knowledge—what some might call ignorance—is thus built into the system, and will be more so in the future. My Googling undergraduates are doing something they may have been encouraged to do at school.

Before we go any further with this, though, there is a factor that needs to be taken into account: I may be asking those students the wrong questions. By way of illustration, here is a short quiz. Who was the German philosopher best known for his 1781 work “The Critique of Pure Reason”? Which composer, whose works include “Clair de Lune” and “La Mer”, settled briefly in Eastbourne in 1905 with his pregnant mistress after his distraught wife shot herself in the Place de la Concorde? And who was the Roman tribune whose land reforms and personal ambitions so alarmed senators that they beat him to death with their chairs in 133BC?

How did you do? Perhaps you have made an informed guess (“that’s got to be either A or B; I’ll say A”), or maybe one answer is on the tip of your tongue and when you see it you will tell yourself you knew it all along. Then again, you may be muttering sourly that the last one is a bit obscure, since hardly anyone these days knows the names of Roman tribunes. In fact those questions (answers in a moment) owe their origins to an article written in 1969 by the historian and poet Robert Conquest, who, addressing the state of the school curriculum of the time, declared that “an educated man [sic] must have a certain minimum of general knowledge”. What was that certain minimum? “Even if he knows very little about science and cannot add or subtract, he must have heard of Mendel and Kepler. Even if he is tone deaf, he must know something about Debussy and Verdi; even if he is a pure sociologist he must be aware of Circe and the Minotaur, of Kant and Montaigne, of Titus Oates and Tiberius Gracchus.” (Our answers are there: in order, Kant, Debussy and Tiberius Gracchus.)

As a measure of what every educated person must know, I suspect that even many of Conquest’s readers at the time would have found that obtuse. They might have pointed out that he was educated (at Winchester and Oxford) before the second world war. Today, another generation on, his list fails us on additional counts, not least that it is heavily weighted with dead white European men. When we talk of general knowledge, even at its most high-minded, we are talking about something fluid and dynamic. As Bamber Gascoigne puts it: “General knowledge changes. It always has and always will. It has to adapt.” New facts arrive, such as President Obama and the 100-1 Grand National winner, and old facts are sloughed off, like poor old Tiberius Gracchus.

That much is obvious, you may be saying. And yet this churning of knowledge causes plenty of exasperation. I recall the blank faces that met my first mention of the Falklands war in a university lecture. I had assumed the students would know about it, but most did not—those events happened in 1982, before they were born. When I discussed the Wapping dispute of 1986 I again had difficulty, though when you stop to think about it modern students with little knowledge of the workings of trade unions were perhaps bound to struggle with concepts like demarcation and the closed shop.

I also remember my own youthful incomprehension at a running gag in which Eric Morecambe did his impression of Jimmy Durante (“Sit-ting at my pianna…”). Durante, a 1950s personality, meant nothing to me, just as a young reader now might be wondering, “Who’s Eric Morecambe?” (A hugely popular television comedian of the 1970s.) The frame of cultural reference never stops moving, and it is surely unfair to describe the consequence as ignorance. I need to accept that, though my students may appear to me to have less stuff in their heads, they may in fact know a lot of different stuff, stuff that I don’t know and can’t ask about.

What has changed in the past generation is that the internet has come along, and the question stands: is it a threat to general knowledge? When I put that to John Lloyd, creator of “QI”, the subversive BBC quiz show presented by Stephen Fry, he gave a very QI answer, referring me to the story of the Egyptian god Thoth. I looked it up, and it was told by Plato. It goes like this: Thoth has invented writing and proudly offers it as a gift to the king of Egypt, declaring it “an elixir of memory and wisdom”. But the king is horrified, and tells him: “This invention will induce forgetfulness in the souls of those who have learned it, because they will not need to exercise their memories, being able to rely on what is written…rather than, from within, their own unaided powers to call things to mind. So it’s not a remedy for memory, but for reminding, that you have discovered. And as for wisdom, you are equipping your pupils with only a semblance of it, not with truth.”

That was written 2,400 years ago, and Lloyd pointed out that similar arguments about inevitable damage to human thinking and memory attended the arrival of printing in the 15th century AD. We seem to have survived both shocks with our capacity for general knowledge intact, indeed enhanced. That puts modern concerns into perspective. 

Kevin Ashman, responding to the same question I put to Lloyd, acknowledged that there was a problem of young people simply saying “I don’t need to know that,” but like Lloyd he was far more excited about the educational potential of the internet. “There is much more information available, giving people far more opportunities to boost their general knowledge.” And he is certain that they are taking advantage of those opportunities. Ashman’s opinion is relevant because he is the Tiger Woods of general knowledge. A former civil servant from Winchester, he has won “Fifteen to One”, “Mastermind” (he still holds the record score of 41) and “Brain of Britain”, and is also a three-time world quizzing champion and a regular egghead on the “Eggheads” programme. “I don’t tend to take part in the local pub quizzes,” he told me. “I wouldn’t be terribly welcome.” 

Ashman, Gascoigne, Ashurst—I was drawn to general-knowledge specialists as I investigated this, and they in turn reminded me of something I was not getting right. General knowledge is not, and never has been, something that you acquire during your formal education. It is a lifelong accumulation, and we pick it up from every available source as we go along. Anne Ashurst (“Mastermind” specialist subject: Barbara Villiers, Duchess of Cleveland) points out that she was an avid reader before she ever entered a classroom. Kevin Ashman (specialist subject: the Zulu wars) still effortlessly, continuously and often unconsciously absorbs facts, even from the posters in the London Underground. Of course they remember some of what their teachers told them, but for people like them, and for millions of others, the internet is just what its enthusiasts claim: a fountain of knowledge that is accessible, democratic and does not run dry when you leave school or university.

Millions of others? Really? Oh yes. Look at the quiz world and you realise that general knowledge is in much better nick than you might imagine. “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?” and “The Weakest Link” are among the most watched shows on television. “University Challenge”, revived by the BBC more than a decade ago, is in rude, headline-making health, and “Mastermind” is doing fine; it’s telling that the BBC’s grand inquisitors, Jeremy Paxman and John Humphrys, bother to host these shows. “Eggheads” goes out five days a week after 6PM, often beating “The Simpsons” in the ratings. Quizzes and quiz-based puzzles pop up daily in the newspapers, no longer saved for bank holidays. Trivial Pursuit and its imitators have sold in their millions. And the pub quiz, with its attendant leagues, has become a mainstay of the liquor trade, with tens and possibly hundreds of thousands of people competing up and down the country every week.

IS GOOGLE KILLING GENERAL KNOWLEDGE 2A few sample questions. Two from “The Weakest Link”: what we call natural gas consists mostly of which gas? Which Labour leader resigned in 1992 to become a European commissioner? Two from “University Challenge”: the battle of Austerlitz in 1805, one of Napoleon’s greatest victories, was fought on a site in which present-day country? What is the correct name for the right-hand pedal on a pianoforte? And finally two from “The Prince of Wales (Highgate) Quiz Book”, edited by Marcus Berkmann (who also edits “Dumb Britain”): what do the following have in common: John Bunyan, Oscar Wilde, Adolf Hitler, Jeffrey Archer? In a famous novel and more recently in a musical, how was Anne Catherick known?

The answers are methane, Neil Kinnock, the Czech Republic, the sustaining pedal, they all wrote books in prison, and “The Woman in White”. How did you do? Even if you found them easy, you would have to admit that this is a long way from Dumb Britain. It is true that modern quizzes mix questions of this kind with varying quantities of sport, celebrity, pop music and other aspects of popular culture. Try these, one of which is from “University Challenge” and the other from “The Weakest Link”. Which fashion designers produced the dress worn by Diana, Princess of Wales, on her wedding day in 1981? And which French designer created Madonna’s bustiers in the late 1980s and early 1990s?

The Emanuels and Jean-Paul Gaultier, and for that matter Simon Cowell and Wayne Rooney, are ephemeral and to many of us unimportant. They will not last like Mendel and Montaigne (although the Emanuels have already shown some stamina, with 28 years in the public memory bank). But knowing about them surely isn’t evidence of ignorance; indeed, to say they don’t belong in a quiz is to align yourself with those High Court judges who need to be told who the Beatles are.

Over the past generation or so, quizzes have democratised general knowledge. On television, the genre was represented in my boyhood by “University Challenge”, “Top of the Form” and “Ask the Family”. Like pretty well all television in those days, these shows were rigidly and unashamedly middle-class. The message was that if you weren’t educated at a grammar school, general knowledge was at best a spectator sport. We don’t live in that world any more.

Who competes in pub quizzes? Will Jones runs a website listing no fewer than 2,000 regular pub quiz nights around the country “and that’s nowhere near all of them”. The clientele is as varied, he says, as any group of people you find in pubs, with a majority of men but a fair number of women, and a wide range of ages. And remember, these people are being asked, as I was in my own local the other day, in what county they would find the Giant’s Causeway and in what way Cecil Day-Lewis was distinguished. Many who know the answers (Antrim, and as a poet) passed through our schools at times when teaching was supposed to be at its most woolly and fact-averse.  

Jones finds it depressing that education today is less fact-based, but he is anything but hostile to the internet, which he insists has a big role in the quizzing boom. “Of course education and books are important, but if you read online, you’re going to pick up general knowledge there too, and it is so easy. The supply of information has absolutely exploded—it’s like having hundreds of thousands of books on your shelf.”

There will always be dimwits, and their feats of stupidity will always make news. Equally, there will always be teachers and parents who shake their heads at the supposed ignorance of the young. We need to be careful before we construct trends from such things. But the internet is different, and it lifts the discussion onto a different plane. We are bound to tap into it for general knowledge, and the young will do it first. Schools are surely right to encourage them. The story of Thoth tells us that the curmudgeonly response—“This invention will produce forgetfulness in the souls of those who have learned it”—is a waste of breath.

But equally, the extraordinary popularity of the quiz in the mass-communication age suggests that general knowledge, the idea of a pool of information shared within a culture and a time, is potent enough to survive. 

 

Picture Credit: Michael Harvey, rickh710, mattboschetti (both via Flickr)

(Brian Cathcart is a professor of journalism at Kingston.)

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Comments

I'm hardly averse to the


I'm hardly averse to the internet, but I find the idea that, today, a person who went through the school system is just as knowledgeable as he would have been a few decades ago (he merely knows different facts) to be an assertion that is not backed up very well.

Sure, previous history lessons were focused more on Europe, but it's not as though the average person now seems to know a lot more about the history of Asia or Africa. He just knows less history--that's all. Maybe you can then say history in general is less important, but again, where is the increase (for the average person) that offsets there decrease in knowledge in other areas?

People, in general, probably are smarter today than say 100 or 200 years ago given the increased amount who attend school and the longer periods of time that they stay in it, but I fail to see how somebody with a specific level schooling today is smarter than somebody with that level of schooling 50 years ago.

Quiz games are nice, but they're anecdotal--they don't compare averages to averages.

A person doesn't need 12 or 16 years of schooling to figure out how to read an atlas, use an almanac, or surf the internet. For many people, however, it will be one of the few times in their lives when they can focus just on learning facts (and when they are best suited to absorb and retain them). It's irreplaceable.

If educators really believe they're teaching their students how better to find facts, analyze things, or think in general, where is the evidence that they are succeeding in this area (versus it just merely being an excuse for failing in one area and an attempt to switch the standards to something non-quantifiable)?

So I'm to be planted with 'facts'?


Do I look like a pot to you?
Nothing's allowed to take residence in my brain unless:
1) it's been thoroughly vetted as to origin, reasonableness, possibility of tampering, or
2) it's so trivial or inconsequential that I don't mind it occupying some dark corner, or
3) someone I trust tells me they've done a complete check and it's as true as it gets.

Otherwise I'm skeptical of EVERYTHING.

"Do I look like a pot to


"Do I look like a pot to you?"

When you're still a kid, yes. At that time, you're still a potted plant--you don't know enough to have good judgment, which is why you're treated differently under the law.

"Nothing's allowed to take residence in my brain unless:

1) it's been thoroughly vetted as to origin, reasonableness, possibility of tampering"

There's a volume of facts in the world that fall under that category. If you're eventually going to have sound judgment, you better know it. If you're interested in teaching a kid how to learn facts, how to use an atlas, how to find stuff on the internet, etc., that would take at worst one class lasting a few weeks and at best a few hours within one day. If you spend 12-16 years with teachers who think it's their job to do that, you've wasted your time.

Sour grapes


I find it amusing that those who spent so much of their formative years memorizing "facts" because they were told to somehow perceive their slavish devotion to a marks/test based system as knowledge or education.

So google now proves that you wasted your time. If this mia culpa essay says anything it is that you still have not learned anything.

knowledge is a mixed bag.


knowledge is a mixed bag. general knowledge presumes a canon--for many of us oldies it is the classical western european tradition which for the anglophones generally runs from a cursory basis of greco-roman to anglo-american history, science, literature, arts.

the curious (in every sense) will always seek out information; just as the barbarian will burn the library at alexandria. the internet has nothing to do with stupid taxi or lorry drivers, they have always been amongst us.

however, the luddite who believes that the internet is some of stupifying devil is truly ignorant.

"This article naturally


"This article naturally leads me to wonder about the next step in terms of intelligence. As artificial intelligence improves and eventually combines with human intelligence, what will "intelligence" mean when, let's say, the human brain contains Google so that neurons operate the search engine wirelessly within the existing framework of the human brain? Is intelligence meaningless in such a world? I've thought about this for awhile, and I'm curious what others might think about it. Thanks."

This is evolution. The difference is now it is directed selection, not natural selection. It is important that we continue to evolve, and direct our evolution as the planet will eventually become uninhabitable in our present form. I wouldn't try to predict the future of our development; the only sure prediction about the future is that all predictions about the future are wrong.

I am 67 years old, had an excellent fact based education, excellent thinking skills, and have a successful career. I don't generalize that the coming generations need my type of education, they need the education to function in whatever their world will be. The masses have always been ignorant, and even literacy has not changed that. Who cares about answering trivial questions on television? One, however, should care if one cannot successfully manage ones real world choices, including determining what facts one needs, whether their source is the electronic memory of Google or one's biological memory.

We need not fear the future, we need only to successfully adapt to it.

Jirka, I agree about Google


Jirka,

I agree about Google only making the search for information more convenient. But then, do they claim anything more? Your point about people only being able to google information on subjects they already know something about is simply not true. There are countless libraries that are accessible online, and very soon, pretty much any book you could hope to find will be available. If you live in a place with no good local libraries (and even if you do, actually), Google Books (and JSTOR, etc.) is an infinitely better option if only for the sheer variety on offer.

Misplaced Blame


Stop blaming machines for human idiocy. Like any non-living entity, there is no inherent vice or virtue to the internet; it's how people use it that determines their personal attribution of moral, social, and intellectual value.

It appears many of these


It appears many of these commenters stopped reading and jumped straight to response. Perhaps you'll consider giving the article its due before interjecting next time,

I'll instead commend your rebuttal of flawed argument.

We don't need to know that.


Sir, This sentence "we did not need to now that" is a classical quote from a Dutch song. (Hoeven we niet te leren). The quote is older than Google, older than computers. Some elderly people (I am one myself) do know a lot, they learned during their life all kind of facts, that is why they easily outperform young students. Of course one needs knowledge to find uselful facts to measure their usefulness and to use them. Most people do make mistakes like going the wrong direction in London because they don't know the right facts, But before Google too most people did not know the right facts. (That's why encyclopedias were used)

Insipid Atlas argument


David Fann regards teaching a child to use an atlas as a valuable skill. If you can match a symbol in a key to a symbol in a map... etc. what's the skill? If you mastered a shape-sorter as a 5 yr old you can use an atlas. But this is the task Fann assigns himself.

Using the atlas in his meaningless anecdote alone is frightening. The man doesn't even know what a skill is.

The discussion seem to


The discussion seem to assume that the only reason people turn to Google is to score in pub quizzes, or to find answers to exam questions. The truth is that those of us who use Google more or less daily, use it to find information on subjects that actually interest us.

facts alone are wanted in life...


thomas gradgrind wrote this, didnt he?

seems to me you think


seems to me you think everyone should be able to do well in quiz masters. What is needed in life after school is not the ability to answers a bunch of questions (impressive as that maybe)...but to be able to find answers.

Self evident


To ask if Google is killing general knowledge is conceptually the same as asking if the library system killed general knowledge - the answer is self evident.

I find it amusing and telling that some here challange information presented in the article as fact by turning to Google, without which such challange would likely not have been made nor the suspect fact's veracity verified.

The elusive airport


If you try to look for the airport of Trat, Thailand (TDX) in google maps, you'll end up in a rice field somewhere.
When we were trying to find its location for http://tratmap.com/archives/trat-airport-tdx/ we've found many place-marks and geotagged photos of the airport (and they were indeed of the airport) spread in a wide cloud of random locations, including a few on the nearby island Ko Chang.
After a few hours,we've found a photo that was off by the proverbial mile. Photographer probably got on the minivan and geo-tagged the photo a little bit after they've left the gate :)

The city of Trat itself is also in a rice field according to google maps, but there are enough photos and place-marks in the right locations. Still, it makes one wonder: how hard should it be to google-bomb a small city out of the map?

Internet and memory


I for one am very optimistic about the internet and the provision of Google among the other search engines. I love having a virtual library at the tip of my fingers. I don’t remember phone numbers anymore because I don’t use them once they are programmed into my phone. I really don’t think that affects my critical thinking skills. Trivia after all, is trivial. The people that think they know it all because they have a superior root memory just don’t impress me. Granted, I am biased because I’m not particularly good at trivia. On the other hand, I believe I am less biased by not having so many supposed facts memorized. ‘KISS’- Keep It Simple Stupid.

The internet should continue to become more organized and I am very hopeful about what that means. People can critically discuss almost anything online these days. And if anyone thinks that misinformation is only a problem online, then maybe they really aren’t thinking critically. I am looking forward to wonderful tools to keep more in tuned with politics and the global world. I am looking forward to the massively complete, scrutinized and organized global informational web sites that will likely grow to inform on every conceivable subject. I love ideas more than root information and would love to see a world without so many secrets.

Google is one awesome, informative tool that will help people continue learning throughout their lives. If there is something that comes up that someone really wants to remember, they can easily put that information on their web page and keep it close in their back pocket. Along with the personal library, they can keep videos of family and friends safe and stable contact information for virtually every acquaintance ever met. Wow! If kids aren’t learning, it’s more likely caused by parents too enslaved by working to have the time (and permission) to spank their kids coupled with the troubled influences surrounding them in the schools as a result.
Peace.

Is Google killing general knowledge


I suggest that the key here isn´t that the internet might be killing general knowledge. From education's standpoint it is developing a young student's retrieval system, to wit, memory. When I was in primary school we were assigned to memorize poetry, and in Sunday School we were encouraged to learn Bible verses. That was the key to being able to make creative use of general knowledge as it was encountered. I admit I have not practiced this myself, but I am convinced that if we adults were to continue to memorize, as "brain exercise" if you will, and to retrieve poems and factoids that we have encountered in general reading, we would all become more creative. Our repertoire of remembered information would grow along with our encounters with general knowledge new and old.
Ken Emmond

As to the idea of history


As to the idea of history being a matter of dates, and science as a series of facts- this simply isn't true. It's not information that counts, but concepts. Not the fine details (which need to be authenticated of course ) but the patterns they signify and the relationships they embody. History needs to be taught in a way that shows how nations, civilisations and societies rise and fall.
Science needs to be taught as principles in balance and as systems in integration. It's important to understand the laws of motion and rest, and how they apply to mechanics. Learning definitions by rote (which i had to do in high school ) doesn't serve any purpose.
Computers will allow us to carry obscure facts around. The things you need to know at a moments notice, on a regular basis, to solve the problems at hand- those you need to commit to memory. The rest you'll end up googling

I don't think anyone has


I don't think anyone has mentioned how useful Googling is for everyday help. When I got a bloodstain on my white slipcover, I did a search to learn how to get the stain out. When I wanted a new muffin recipe, I found one on the Internet. It's like having an entire reference library available to me 24 hours a day, and I don't have to waste time skimming through the wrong book before learning what I need.

Google is also wonderful when I'm commenting on an article like this. I saw the year 1066, thought "Oh, that refers to the Battle of Hastings and William the Conquerer," but before I actually wrote this comment, I checked to make sure I'd remembered correctly. It's all very well to talk about concepts and context in education, but in Internet discourse it's moot - a poster who disagrees will seize any factual mistake and use it to dismiss one's entire argument, even if the concept is sound.

Education is not a zero-sum game, in which you must choose facts OR concepts. Concepts are confusing unless grounded in facts, but facts are meaningless without context. The problem today (which is hardly limited to students) is that we're bombarded with information. Most of it may be "useless" by educational standards, but it's there, and it's too much to process. That's why I'm not surprised young people have trouble absorbing knowledge in school, or understanding the point of doing so--they've had to build mental filters to keep out the excess information so they don't get overwhelmed. Frankly, I do it too. I see how it's changed the way I think, and while I don't like it, I don't know what else to do.

One other thought: General knowledge used to include a lot of things that today we consider culture-specific. I'm thinking mostly of the Bible - most people in the 1800s and early 1900s were at least familiar with the major stories, and literature from that time had many biblical allusions. Now you can't assume that most people are familiar with the Good Samaritan or the story of Moses, or recognize that the lyrics from "Turn Turn Turn" come from Ecclesiastes. The downside is a loss of a common reference point; the upside is that people who don't share that reference point aren't constantly made to feel like outsiders.

Pracký kopec (place of the


Pracký kopec (place of the battle of Aussterlitzz) is in the Czech Republic.

chillax bro


chillax bro

Geniuses? Where are they,


Geniuses? Where are they, then?

Is Google killing General Knowledge? Emphatically, No!


On reading the article I found that firstly, I disagreed with the author's hypothesis, but it seems that by the conclusion, so did the author himself (albeit using a more flimsy argument, that the popularity of quizzes suggests general knowledge might 'survive') .

Personally I believe that the internet, and search engines like Google, will enhance general knowledge, and that it is social, cultural and demographic trends that dictate whether our generation, and future generations, will be inclined to retain or refuse general knowledge.

Nevertheless, good debate and interesting topic.

I just posted about this on my blog:

http://matthewbenson.wordpress.com/

The internet is the


The internet is the devil.

Humanity was able to build pyramids,castles,aquaducts,sky scrapers,conquer worlds,cure diseases,calculate mathematical formulas,travel the world,socially interact, shop....way before the insidious machines called computers were invented.
Ask yourselves,why do we even need computers? You don't because it's too easy to just click on a machine and give your power over to it.
No doubt the techno weened generation will take offense at my observation as they have no personal reference to life before home computers.
Somehow Wikipedia with it's proved flaws and errors,has replaced real research.

Computers and the internet is a drug. A system designed to find out what's on your mind and to make it dull. It is also designed to mimic the ethers. Everything you ever thought I can most likely find evidence of it on your hard drive and even better, from any data collection sources. How many people actually READ and fully comprehend those user agreements.

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.

Very True...the education


Very True...the education system of today has made Children dumber.. They might be great hackers, programmers, etc but somehow they lack common sense.

that is a very interesting


that is a very interesting statement. i wonder if the author is rethinking his opinions. i wonder how many times he's used google.

I'm afraid you might be


I'm afraid you might be unfairly blaming students for their lack of general knowledge. Many of my teachers do comment on the lack of room to develop ideas in the classroom, in exchange for exam preparation. But the students themselves can hardly be held responsible for this change. The teachers have boxes to tick and targets to meet.

Yet I also dispute that the the National Curriculum is entirely a bad thing. The old education system may have given more intelligent and enthusiastic students the chance to spread their wings, but also left many less able students without the key skills they needed to get decent jobs. The National Curriculum may not be perfect, but it does create more of a level playing field. Targets mean that more students achieve a certain standard of education.

Keen students often fill the gap with independent learning. They are not the "disagreeable, distasteful lot" you describe, but in fact are usually very thorough in pursuing the subjects that particularly interest them.

Google plays an important


Google plays an important role in building our knowledge. They provide useful information in broad topics that we need to fully understand. Google continuously improves their search result every second. Now, they are working on how to eliminate irrelevant result in their search engine. That makes their service much reliable than others. The downfall of most search engines is that not all posted data are true.

Knowledge vs Information


We are losing our minds...literally. The internet, with its vast wealth of easily accessible information is turning people into mere nodes able to access information rather than recall it. Think of it as digital cliff notes.

General knowledge and the learning that evolves from those teachings imbue more than just simple facts but principals of thought needed to form correct assumptions based upon that same information. The brain, like a muscle, needs to be stretched, pushed and tormented to grow. Google provides one with answers without the inquisitive fully understanding the question itself. Ralph Waldo Emmerson I believe said it best:

"A great man is always willing to be little. Whist he sits on the cushions of advantages he goes to sleep. When he is pushed, when he is tormented, defeated and punished he has a chance to learn something; he has been put on the wits of his manhood, he has gained facts; learned of his ignorance and is cured of the insanity of conceit."

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