ART SPIEGELMAN WANTS A BLOOD TEST

The acclaimed comic artist was once banned from Robert Crumb’s house, loves chicken fat and hates the term “graphic novel”. He also takes very little pleasure from drawing, writes Gary Moskowitz ...
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Sipping from a glass of white wine and secretly itching for a cigarette (he later admitted), Art Spiegelman glibly entertained a gaggle of British adult comic-book fans. We were all in a small theatre at London's Institute for Contemporary Arts, where Spiegelman explained his rationale for what is perhaps one of his most shocking drawings from the 1970s: a decapitated man getting fucked in the neck.
“I did the most vile comics I could possibly think of, because I thought that’s what underground comics were all about,” he said with an unapologetic shrug. He then admitted that Robert Crumb, a comic artist renowned for testing the limits of taste in his own drawings, banned him from his house in San Francisco in the 1960s. His wife was just too disturbed by that particular image.
The drawing appears in Spiegelman’s most recent effort, a new edition of "Breakdowns: A Portrait of the Artist as Young %@&*!", created first in 1978. This book, said Spiegelman, should lend some insight into his evolution from vile cartoonist to Pulitzer Prize-winning artist and illustrator. The Pulitzer came in 1992 for "Maus", a personal story about the Holocaust in which Jews were depicted as mice and Nazi Germans as cats. Though canonised now as an important unconventional memoir, "Maus" was originally met in 1978 with “a stunning silence”, Spiegelman said. His goal for the project, first drawn with a fountain pen, was to make readers feel like they were reading a diary.
“Breakdowns” offers a trek through Spiegelman’s early work and development as a comic artist, revealing what he grappled with before "Maus". At the lecture, Spiegelman presented slides from the book--rough, silly, strange and sometimes simple images that exemplified his mantra: “comics should be whatever you want them to be.”
For "Maus" fans who know little of Spiegelman’s earlier work, “Breakdowns” may seem surprising--a rowdy departure from the sombre narratives and intense self-scrutiny that followed. Yet it captures the visceral energy of underground comics in the 1960s and '70s, a time when a growing group of adults used the medium to grapple with complicated and often raunchy subjects. Next year McSweeney's will release “Be a Nose!”, a "warts-and-all" reproduction of Spiegelman's private sketchbooks.
Spiegelman made Time magazine’s list of 100 most influential people in 2005, but his route to fame has indulged some detours, such as creating Garbage Pail Kids for Topps Bubble Gum and some time in a psychiatric hospital in upstate New York in the late 1960s. He designed covers for the New Yorker for years (Françoise Mouly, his wife, as the art editor), including a post-9/11 image of the Twin Towers. But he walked away from the hallowed gig that same year because, as he briefly mentioned to this audience, he didn’t like how tepid mainstream media had become after the attacks. He ended up putting out his own book on 9/11, called “In the Shadow of No Towers", and he shared with us the story of how he ran toward the towers after the first plane hit, to get to his daughter, who was attending school nearby.
Spiegelman is not without his share of tics. He admitted that he hates collaborating with other artists, he talks out loud while he works and he takes very little pleasure in drawing. “I don’t have the natural skills or patience to draw well,” he said. “I take no pleasure in drawing a tree just for a tree’s sake. I only draw a tree when I absolutely need a tree.”
Speaking quickly and enthusiastically, Spiegelman treated the comments from the evening's presenter (Posy Simmonds, a British comic artist) as if they were irritating speed bumps. He was keen to explain his undying love for comic art. Specifically, for the ways in which it allows an artist to communicate directly, no matter how bizarre the message.
“I like the ‘chicken fat’, the stuff that makes you go back and read it over and over and over, because there’s something sinister under the surface. The stuff with an urgency to it”, he said. He talked at length about the gripping illustrations of Mad, a popular satirical magazine. He then showed comic strips of a Jack-in-the-Box that suddenly jumps out of the box and starts talking to children and adults around him. It’s funny, but also creepy, because the toy has busted out of his confines and nobody is quite sure what he’s going to do next.
Spiegelman is a comic artist’s comic artist, if there is such a thing. He grew up reading stacks of comics that his father found, salvaged from comic-book burnings in America after the second world war. The books were burned after Senate subcommittee hearings on juvenile delinquency and crime. Comics were often considered dangerous after Dr Fredric Wertham, author of the influential book "Seduction of the Innocent", proposed that comic books were directly linked to juvenile crime in the 1950s (something David Hajdu writes about at length in "The Ten-Cent Plague", which came out earlier this year).
Spiegelman has taught classes on the history and aesthetics of comics. He hates the word “graphic novel” because he claimed it's misleading. “I’m called the father of the modern graphic novel. If that’s true, I want a blood test,” he said. “’Graphic novel’ sounds more respectable, but I prefer ‘comics’ because it credits the medium. [‘Comics’] is a dumb word, but that’s what they are.”
Breakdowns: Portrait of the Artist as a Young %@&*!, by Art Spiegelman, Pantheon Books
Picture credit: Nadja Spiegelman (top), Art Spiegelman
(Gary Moskowitz is a journalist and musician, based in London. His last piece for More Intelligent Life was about witnessing America's election from London.)


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December 9, 2008 - 03:39 — Dr. Mesus (not verified)That is drawn by Spiegelman is not in great demand, personally at me. Not applying for unambiguity... :)
But as a comedian Spiegelman unequivocally pleases...
I wish Spiegelman good luck on a life! Yours faithfully Jehan Mesus
Spiegelman is one of The New
February 25, 2009 - 12:06 — Riley (not verified)Spiegelman is one of The New Yorker’s most sensational artists, drawing illustrations for covers that are meant not just to be plainly understood but also to reach up and tattoo your eyeballs with images once unimaginable in the magazine of old moneyed taste ...
Maus
March 16, 2009 - 11:51 — munro (not verified)When will we see a book about today's mice, the starved and hunted Palestinians?
Tristan Anderson, 37 yr old American American, critically injured after being shot in the head by Israeli forces in Ni’lin:
http://palsolidarity.org/2009/03/5324
DEMONSTRATION
MON MARCH 16, 4pm
ISRAEL CONSULATE,
456 Montgomery St, SF
(@ Calif. St./Montgomery BART. 4 blocks
North of Market St. on Montgomery)
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/03/14/18577174.php
Support the Palestinians' right to shoot missiles at Jews!!!!!!!
March 17, 2009 - 03:24 — Visitor (not verified)Oh, those poor hunted Gazans! Support their right to use the land evacuated by Israel for missile launchings instead of building homes there! Support their right to deny Israel's right to exist! Support their right to waste their resources on terror and on preparations for war incited by terror! Support their right to teach their children that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion tells the truth about Jews! Support their right to teach their children that Jews are sub-human sons of pigs! Support their right to keep the grandchildren of refugees pent-up in camps as an army of the resentful instead of allowing them to live like other Palestinians in Gaza! Support the right of Arab countries to refuse citizenship to Arabs of Palestinian descent!
Enough with this stupid and obscene comparison of the Arab-israeli conflict with the Holocaust. 6,000,000 Jews died in the Holocaust, while, since 1967, the Palestinians have been one of the fastest growing human populations on the planet (which, of course, keeps many of them mired in poverty, but the idea of Palestinians using birth control like all of the succesful developing nations is, of course, a taboo subject. We need a huge generation of great-grandchildren of refugees stuck in camps to make sure that peace will never be atainable).
Israeli-Palestinian conflict?
March 17, 2009 - 11:44 — Visitor (not verified)Well, that topic didn't take long to come out, nor to become a screaming match.
Not that it's the topic of this article, but it would probably be more relevant to talk about how Maus might inform the Palestinian issue.
I think one vein might be that an essential evil of the Holocaust was the act of dehumanisation. When you consider a person as an animal - as a rodent - it is not much further, morally, to exterminate them; and that act of dehumanisiation can split them from 'human' interaction for the rest of their lives. This is true both for the 'cat' and the 'mouse'.
What was that quote? "We can forgive them for trying to kill us, but we cannot forgive them for making us murderers."
Very nicely put, Visitor
March 18, 2009 - 12:22 — Dan (not verified)Very nicely put, Visitor above.
Anyway, a moving, brilliant, widely-acclaimed comic detailing the lives of people living in Palestine already exists--it's called Palestine, by Joe Sacco, and is published by Fantagraphics.
http://www.fantagraphics.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage...
Garbage Pail Kids??!!
March 18, 2009 - 15:23 — Rob Anderson (not verified)Spiegelman must be made to suffer for unleashing the Garbage Pail Kids on the United States in the 80s. I am astonished that he is the one responsible for that atrocity.
Silly mantra
March 19, 2009 - 12:14 — Mark (not verified)“comics should be whatever you want them to be.”
Comics are for entertainment. Shocking doodles should be whatever you want them to be. With a clearer mantra IMO, this talented person would not have taken so many artistic wrong turns, and wouldn't have had biog with this title.
oooh, an american american!
March 22, 2009 - 00:34 — hank rango (not verified)oooh, an american american!
can we keep this related to the topic? i'm over whining, patronising causes for "the starved and hunted".
i still treasure spiegelman's arcade anthology, and hear hear re the "graphic novel" label. he's a comic genius.
Silly Mark
March 22, 2009 - 05:27 — E-man (not verified)Just a personal recommendation for the work of both Spiegelman and Joe Sacco (as mentioned by Dan) .. and what a silly and uninformed post by Mark, you have no idea what you're talking about.
error
March 22, 2009 - 18:52 — Visitor (not verified)"...his most shocking drawings from the 1970s: a decapitated man getting fucked in the neck.
...banned him from his house in San Francisco in the 1960s. His wife was just too disturbed by that particular image. "
Time check please.
art is the best
March 25, 2009 - 12:44 — Visitor (not verified)hi if art is reading this i just want to say you books are awsome
tic / tick
March 27, 2009 - 12:46 — julz_hk (not verified)he might have tics, but I hope he doesn't have ticks. Not visibly at least.
way to drop a huge turd of a
April 3, 2009 - 08:32 — babeltron (not verified)way to drop a huge turd of a buzzkill with the political bu11shi+, guys. the palestinians and israelis can waste each other away for all i care. that's right: i think comics are more important than THEM, or any particular group of people for that matter. art -- high, low, backwards, forwards, spiegelman himself or the creative endeavor in general -- represents the best of what we as overdeveloped apes have to offer the universe. politics, warfare, and angry squabbling tribes are all squarely in the realm of the beasts. go smash some windows at a protest or something, you turkeys.
ooo, an american
April 16, 2009 - 03:21 — Nod32 (not verified)Spiegelman must be made to suffer for unleashing the Garbage Pail Kids on the United States in the 80s. I am astonished that he is the one responsible for that atrocity.
"...his most shocking drawings from the 1970s: a decapitated man getting fucked in the neck. ...banned him from his house in San Francisco in the 1960s. His wife was just too disturbed by that particular image. "
way to drop a huge turd of a buzzkill with the political bu11shi+, guys.
Tics.
April 25, 2009 - 23:31 — Daniel (not verified)Tics.
garbage
September 1, 2009 - 10:35 — Anthony (not verified)Was never a big fan of garbage pail kids or the now infamous decapitated head insert perverted art, but otherwise support your right to expression.
Great artist
October 18, 2009 - 00:06 — Stu Ungar (not verified)He is a very talented graphics comic artist. Now older he reckons that he pushed the limit when he was a younger artist, and it is fine. Artists should be free to express themselves.
Nice work
October 29, 2009 - 10:07 — Rakeback (not verified)Spiegelman talks out loud while working and he said that he takes very little pleasure in drawing. I find it quite amazing when he says that he does not have the natural skills or patience to draw well. This must be an understatement given his prolific work from many decades of dedication.
Great artist/illustrator
November 27, 2009 - 12:18 — Alex (not verified)Art Spiegelman has brought comic books out of the kids' closet and into the literature shelves and is one of the greatest artist/illustrator of this era.
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